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Girls Scouts vote on camp sales
Troop leaders want 4 camps re-evaluated before sale
by WKSU's ALISON RITCHIE


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A dispute over the sale of four Girl Scout camps in Northeast Ohio may have been resolved over the weekend. But WKSU’s Kabir Bhatia reports that it’s unclear if the decision will be enforced.

Girls Scouts vote on camp sales

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The Girl Scouts of Northeast Ohio held a special meeting on Saturday to vote on a measure to stop the sale of four of its seven camps.

One amendment required all real estate decisions to be approved by two-thirds of the general assembly.  That amendment failed. But a cease and desist request was passed, temporarily halting the camp sales until they are further evaluated.

Each year, some the board-members finish their two-year terms and are up for re-election.  So, the board that originally approved the sales is different from the one in place now.
Girl Scouts’ spokeswoman Rebecca Shaffer says the fate of the camps still is yet to be decided.

"It’s really going to be up to the board of directors. If for some reason, they would change their mind, and we are going to have new people in place, that will really be up to them to decide if they want to do anything differently. Right now there’s really nothing binding them to do that."

Some troop leaders say the camp closures will cause a drop in enrollment, as parents are forced to drive further to fewer camps.
Corey Ann Ringle is one of the leading opponents of the sales. She says despite one of the amendments failing, the meeting was a success. 

"Even though the two-thirds amendment did not pass, it was a very, very close election. We were six votes away from it passing. So the fact that we were only six votes away and people had very compelling arguments for it, I’m almost wondering if we were to bring it back to election later on, a little ways down the road, if they would take it very seriously."

If the original plan goes through, the Girl Scouts plan to re-model at least two of the remaining three camps.

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The GSNEO Baord , Staff and CEO are in direct opposition to their members, volunteers, benefactors and community.

They are STEALING their land, and liquidating any related asset to forward an agenda and vision none of the members want.

Now that they have been exposed, they will certainly move faster on land sales, before those girls and women that really care can stop them. This is horrible.

The new agenda that the administration is promoting will be another fad that comes and goes. The girls that are left behind will have to repair the organization that was raped and scuttled by this administration.

HEY BOARD AND CEO...if you want something SO different than what the Girl Scouts has been, historically, why don't you resign and start your OWN organization, instead of ruining this one?

What a bunch of arrogant jerks!


Posted by: Pat McGroyn on November 2, 2011 6:11AM
Bull Biscuits!

The GSNEO Baord , Staff and CEO are in direct opposition to their members, volunteers, benefactors and community.

They are STEALING their land, and liquidating any related asset to forward an agenda and vision none of the members want.

Now that they have been exposed, they will certainly move faster on land sales, before those girls and women that really care can stop them. This is horrible.

The new agenda that the administration is promoting will be another fad that comes and goes. The girls that are left behind will have to repair the organization that was raped and scuttled by this administration.

HEY BOARD AND CEO...if you want something SO different than what the Girl Scouts has been historically, why don't you resign and start your OWN organization, instead of ruining this one?

What a bunch of arrogant jerks!


Posted by: Buster Hiemann on November 2, 2011 6:11AM
There is no way for anyone to know exactly how many of the membership delegates/national delegates/board members voted for anything. By saying that 78% of the membership delegates voted yes is interpreting the results not reporting on them. It was electronic voting so no one knows for sure how any one individual voted.


Posted by: Truth Teller (ohio) on November 1, 2011 10:11AM
As a local girl scout leader I am very pleased the camps will be open for at least a little while longer. I have 8-10 year olds and the only thing they want to do is camp. We were just camping this past weekend so we were unable to attend the general meeting. Corey Ann Ringle is a great girl scout!! We have had a few interactions with her at camp of corse, and she gets it.

I was very upset that girl scouts decided to change badges and their books when I heard about it, now to see them and the cost. We won't have to worry about camping because our troop will be spending our money on new books and badges. Thank goodness 1/3 of the new book is on how to sell cookies. And we now 6 new bagdes on cookies. I guess that is now what girl scouts do.... sell cookies, forget about what it is really about.

As a leader these changes sicken me. GSNEO is now a business not a non-profit. Juliette Gordon-Low's birthday is today. Wonder what she would have thought about all this...


Posted by: Amy Brunty (Rootstown, OH) on October 31, 2011 9:10AM
The real story is , why is the GSNEO liquidating assets? There are other ways to raise funds, and CLEARLY, with a 75% approval of delegates for stopping this, the girls and leaders want THEIR camps more accessable and KEPT. Not a 6 figure CEO who is apparently trying to put another feather in her hat?

The Board and CEO are WAYYYYYYYY out of touch with the girls they serve. An, the girls thmselves pay for most of the GSNEO budget.
Tis is wrong at SO many levels.

Camps are a magical tool where girls learn self-empowerment and respect for the outdoors. IT IS A PROVEN FORMULA THAT WORKS.

Where are all of the girls that asked for this?


You can't find them, because they don't exist.


So, you have to believe that some other factor is driving this decision. One can only speculate. This reader thinks it is about enriching someone else. Why the rush...are they afraid of losing a deal with someone.?

The GSNEO needs to give the members what THEY want. I have never heard a girl say, " Mom , can I go to a premier leadership center and learn to be a CEO ? Kids want to have fun. They need to breath fresh are and experience the outdoors. Simple, but that is why they joined the Girl Scouts. Period.

I am tired of hearing about adults stealing from little girls to further an agenda they never asked for, at the expense of what they really want.



Posted by: Dan Beard on October 31, 2011 9:10AM


This is a nationwide trend at many other councils in many other states. Same Problem...the Board and CEO's won't listen. They are selling camps everywhere.

Look it up. Google it.

Why the push to modernize and phase out camping?
CAMPING is why girls JOIN the Girl Scouts.

Why the rush to sell the camps? The market is bad, and the GSNEO website states this is not a financial decision, but the need to sell 4 or 5 to upgrade two camps. Huh?

The Board members dont seem stupid. SO, what is this REALLY about?

Because "Daisies" don't like bugs?

Vote with your wallet.

BOYCOTT COOKIE SALES



Posted by: Dan Beard on October 31, 2011 7:10AM
While the amendment failed to pass, 60% of the General Assembly still voted YES for the amendment. It required 67% to pass. The vote was 52 for the amendment, and 34 against the amendment. It was only 6 votes shy of passing. Also note that 19 of those votes were the Board of Directors.

This means 78% of the General Assembly voted YES to pass the amendment. What is clear from the meeting is that the members want one thing and the board members want something different.

See the results of the meeting voting totals here:

http://trefoilintegrity.org/Files/special_and_annual_mtging_number_results.pdf


Posted by: Sarah Spiegler (North Carolina) on October 31, 2011 6:10AM
There is a typo in the above comment, I meant to say that 78% of the MEMBERSHIP DELEGATES voted YES to pass the amendment.


Posted by: Sarah Spiegler (North Carolina) on October 31, 2011 6:10AM
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